Thread:Killingintents/@comment-29664475-20190928073351/@comment-29664475-20190929003542

so this interview with miura where usumgallu is repeatedly described as genderless is completely irrelevant according to you

The interview you linked to is not the original Japanese one which is referenced in the Usumgallu article, wherein the katakana アンドロギュヌス (Andorogyunusu, lit. "androgynous") is used multiple times throughout, and even the kanji 両性具有 (lit. "androgynous; hermaphroditic"), not "genderless". (see original JA interview) That interview you linked is simply inaccurate in its precision of translation, and your disingenuous use of it evidences your preoccupation with falsifying information, especially given that the original interview is referenced and easily accessible on the Usumgallu article.

the reason i corrected the "male and female" part is because the wording is exclusionary of people who don't align themselves with male or female identities. his intention was to state that gender meant nothing to usumgallu wrt romance specifically.

In the original Natalie interview, Miura does in fact simply state "a man or a woman"; nothing more, nothing less. You trying to warp that into anything other than what Miura clearly stated based on your own biased interpretation of what his intention was is nothing more than a distortion of facts.

here is a link from the intersex society of north america explaining why the term you are so bent over backwards on defending is offensive to real people who are actually intersex.

I'm already acquainted with the ISNA's website, and it is in agreement that Usumgallu is a biological hermaphrodite – "The word 'hermaphrodite' implies that a person is born with two sets of genitals -- one male and one female". Furthermore, the ISNA states that "it should be generally avoided except under specific circumstances". Given the likening of Usumgallu to Hermaphroditus in the manga, that Duranki is a work of fiction, and the fact that the ISNA is in agreement that describing Usumgallu as a hermaphrodite is neither inherently stigmatizing or medically misleading – as Usumgallu is a biological hermaphrodite in the original, mythological sense of the word, as described by the ISNA's own definition of "hermaphrodite" and as acknowledged in the manga – it would seem the use of "hermaphrodite" is perfectly valid, medically/technically correct, and not used as a slur in this context, thus, not breaking FANDOM's TOS by being offensive content. I'm not "trying to die on this hill" or necessarily vouching for its use on the wiki, but rather making it clear that my use of it is not out of interphobia.

being intersex doesn't inherently make you lgbt anyway. there are cisgendered heterosexual intersex people so you trying to claim or defend that having a biological medical condition makes you lgbt+ is ignorant, outdated and holds no ground.

Not once did I say being intersex makes an individual LGBTQ+. I said many words in the English language can be used as slurs by some people, but that does not make them inherently offensive; and that such words include "gay", "lesbian", "queer", etc. Your mentioning blatant slurs as alternatives to the aforementioned inoffensive sexual identity qualifiers is completely irrelevant.

neither androgyne or the hill you're trying to die on are even genders in the first place, so again, your failed attempt at a defense is pathetic and falls short.

For someone so fixated on gender, you are surprisingly ignorant of it. Gender is not localized only to one's gender identity; it very much encompasses biological sex and sex-based social constructs as well. This is why the character infobox parameter is simply "Gender" and not "Gender identity". You do know that "intersex" is itself a general term that describes primarily biological qualities along a spectrum, not only qualities typically associated with one's gender identity, don't you? (source; the ISNA doesn't even mention gender identity) Usumgallu's gender identity has not been revealed, and thus far, only their biological sex has been revealed. This is why their gender is, at this time, only noted to be "androgyne".

the only person who is having a temper tantrum is you. you couldn't even tolerate my message on your wall. if you attempt to ban me for keeping you from using misinformed, needless and offensive language on public pages which are meant for unbiased and accessible information, i will report you to wikia staff for your intolerant and hateful behavior.

Your message was deleted because of your gross and highly suspicious use of a fictional child's genitals as a weapon to slander... as an initialization of discussion (that is absolutely no way to initialize a civil discussion); and because of your inane threats of reporting me to FANDOM, the latter of which I see you're continuing. It seems you think you're actually helping yourself by issuing such threats my way, when in fact, you're only making matters worse for yourself. It is against FANDOM's TOS User Conduct to harass users as you are doing, so I'd tread carefully if I were you.

I have changed the term from "hermaphrodite" to the synonymous "androgyne" in all cases I found, and you still throw a childish tantrum, spew false information, and harass me, spitting in the face of a sympathizing concession to your complaint. I do hope you educate yourself on the meaning and dynamics of gender and conduct yourself with civility in the future.